Degree or not degree... that is the question that has been asked at this college for over a decade. So what's the answer? When do we get that piece of paper that may increase our employment possibilities and enhance our credibility when applying to other educational institutions? Maybe someone doesn't want us to have a degree program? Is it U.B.C.? Are they afraid that a degree program will drain potential students from their art department? Or is it YOU B.C.? Our case has been stated and restated to each new minister that has come and gone and come and gone, yet the situation is still unresolved. Could it be us? Are we afraid that a degree program will constrict our creative talents and leave us "marked" for life? Will it mean more bureaucracy and less Bohemia? So many questions and so little time... but if you are willing to give it some thought and you'd like to share those ideas with the student body, then drop your name and phone number at the Planet of the Arts. We'd like to run an all-College forum on this issue. It's about time we got some answers! : Virginia Achtem Here's two people you could and should write to concerming our long awaited and not-yct-here degree program: $ Hon. Stanley Hagen Minister of Advanced Education and Job Training Minister's Office Room 306, Parliament Buildings, Victoria, B.C. V8V 1X4 Hon. G.M. McCarthy, M.L.A. Vancouver Little Mountain, 2881 Cambie Street, Vancouver, B.C., VS5Z 3Y8 I would like to address a somewhat contentious issue ... the Great Question of the B.F.A. Should ECCAD have one? Do we want one? What will it do to our program? Can we get one? I was a transfer student to Emily Carr from the ‘exotic’ San Fransisco Art Institute, a full fledged, well recognized degree-granting (B.F.A and M.F.A.) institution. In January 1982 when I returned to Canada and commenced spring session at Emily Carr I did not have a very deep or far-reaching vision. What I saw was a well organized, beautifully equipped, multi-disciplinary art school bursting with potential for exploration. I said to myself “I came to art school to make art, not to get a degree. I’ll worry about the degree later.” I still feel I made the right choice - I mean I feel I got a more fully rounded art education at ECCAD than I cofild have in San Francisco. However now that “later” has arrived, I have “worried about the degree, a lot. U.B.C, Simon Fraser, and U of Alberta all told me they would be able to transfer my American credits, but although I was a double-major honours graduate from Emily Carr, they would be unable to equate any credits at all from ECCAD. Frequently this is simply a problem of terminology, with basic Drawing and Painting classes at ECCAD given such exotic and ethereal titles as to be non-transferable into adminis- trative prerequisite-type lingo, hence rendering these credits non-transferable. “Oh yes,” they said, “we realize that your credits are very similar, content- wise to ours, but they are not listed in our transfer credit book. We could give you second year standing in an undergraduate program...” Well, unless one wants to repeat another undergraduate program, one is prevented from earning a masters of any kind or a teaching certifi- planet of the arts volume 3 number 2 november A QUESTION OF DEGREES cate, or indeed any further education at all - at least in the west. I have been told of several well-recog- nized institutions in the East, (Concordia, York, Nova Scotia College) which recognize the Emily Carr 4 year diploma as equivalent to a full B.F.A. This does indeed pose a problem if one wishes to continue one’s education and stay in the western artistic community. It appears that the only credits lacking from the ECCAD diploma required for a B.F.A. from U.B.C. are English 100 and a Science option. Frankly, I feel that the addition of more humanities electives to the ECCAD program would really enhance and fully round out the existing ECCAD curriculum. It is important to point out that . a degree program would not replace the current diploma program - the two systems would co-exist as options able to fulfill diverse student ambitions and levels of academic involvement. It appears that the enormous reluctance to grant B.F.A. status to a college is, in reality, a political fight to keep recognized credentials within the University arena. We are spending a great deal of provincial money on each and every ECCAD student, and I question why policies have been set up which either: a) discourage Fine Arts students from pursuing higher education, or b) drive our emerging artists from the B.C. community to other artistic communities in the East. With one of the highest dollar-per-hour-per-student operating cost of any facility in the province, it seems logical that British Columbians give their ECCAD investment (ie: students) the best chance possible. Surely students should not be victims of ongoing political battles between institutions. Orah Costello RUMOUR FOR IMPROVEMENT = On November 4, an emergency meeting was called by concerned students to discuss the closing of the College over Christmas (December 23 to January 3) and the rumour that the College hours be shortened to a midnight closing. The issue here, again, appears to be one of money. Administration purported that $10,000 would be save on utilities if the school closed over Christ- mas. It was claimed that thousands would also be saved on security if the school was closed at midnight. I think that there is a bigger issue at hand, and that is one of morale. Students who are willing to put in the extra time and effort towards their work are being told not to bother, that their dedication is not appreciated, and that they should go home. I would have hoped that the Admini- stration would have been more supportive of these people who are helping to make a name for this school.I’m not dismissing those people who go home after class. I understand that some students have other commitments or alternative studio space. The main concer of the school should be the students and that a positive attitude and productive working atmosphere prevail at the College. I’m getting really tired of these kinds of situations that pit “us” against “them”. If the Admini- stration wants to be supportive of this concern, then they should examine other ways to save money so that the school hours could be extended rather than shortened. Incidently, Brad Campbell informed me that part of the fifty dollar studio fee would be used to keep the school open so that students could continue to work late. So . . .if “they” are going to shorten the hours, I for one, would like my $50.00 back, and would refuse to pay the studio fee for the spring semester, and I suggest that fellow students do the same. Make your concerns known. TODAY! FRIDAY NOV, 6th/ The Campaign Begins! Remember all those good causes you were going to get around to supporting? Well, your big chance has arrived - this year the College is involved in a United Way Fund- Raising campaign to help channel those helpful, if somewhat procrastinated urges. Through collective effort (small pun there) we can maximize the efficiency of our individual generosity, and have some fun doing it. The campaign runs November 6 - 20, during which time prize draws will be held every second day (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) to distribute well over thirty prizes (check the list!) to registered donors. The lovely and talented Andrew Wilson will be the Master of Ceremonies for the noon-time raffles. Now, aside from the prizes, why would anyone (particularly anyone with a student income) want to part with their cash? For one thing, one in three people (that’s over 500,000 people in the Lower Mainland) will benefit from services assisted by the United Way funds - that’s you, or your friend, or your Mom. The United Way serves over 80 agencies directly, and has provisions for distributing specifically collected funds to non- member organizations (such as the Stein Valley legal fund). The Donor Option program allows individuals to designate specific groups as recipients, and there is no service charge for such designations - 100% of the donation goes directly to the cause you wish to support. So, what causes do you want to support? The ECCAD United Way representatives have drawn up a list of seven potential recipients - when you fill out your pledge card indicate on the back which group in particular you wish to help. Your donation can be directed to any of the other United Way registered charities as well, so check the U.W. brochures for the complete list of donor options. The seven suggested recipients for the ECCAD drive: B.C. Children’s Hospital Red Cross Virginia Achtem C.N.1.B.(Money collected on behalf of this organization will go into the “Go For It” program, which promotes career awareness during a three day seminar held on Bowen Island. Visually-impaired teenagers from around the province are flown in and encouraged to expand their career alternatives.) The Food Bank B.C.ers for Mentally Handicapped People (Specifically, the “Welcome Home” project, which encourages and supports families involved in the re-adjustment process for relatives returning home from institutions.) Local Neighbourhood Houses (There are seven neighbourhood houses and three annexes in Greater Vancouver, each of which provides a variety of local services, such as assistance for the homeless, and acts as a crisis centre for such problems as physical abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse and suicide.) Stein Valley Preservation Fund (There is plenty of literature on the Stein Valley currently circulating throughout the College - you are encouraged to read this material and help support the people involved in this lengthy legal battle to protect and preserve the Stein Wilderness Watershed.) Pledge cards for your donations will be available at: the Facilities office; the College store; the recurring desk-outside-the-cafeteria. Reniember, every donation is important! ‘Be there for the big “Campaign and Orange Juice” celebration lunch and final prize draws Friday, Nov.20th in the cafeteria. ITEMS: DONATED BY: Nanaimo Bars Ken Chamberlain ee Cc ears C) (2) One(1) Month B:C-C:A:D; Lunch for Four (4) Free Parking Prepared by $25.00 GIFT College Store and Served by the Donors Certificate in Concourse Gallery Dinner for two Jonathans Restaurant Towing Certificate at Jonathans One (1) Free towing Assorted Blinds Prestige Window ae Radio (used) Two (2) one (1) day : paid Parking on Candles Lawrence Lowe Granville Island Three (3) $25.00 Maxwells One (1) pair of Maxwell Gift Certificate Headphones a A te Sa da an a a a dd Cathy & Ray Johnson A Sony Walkman Tom Kowall Film (3 Rolls) Alan Barkley Camera Cleaning up to max $40.00 : Two (2) Glass Busters Towing Ltd. aie Steins * Gadget Bag Scotty Wild $25.00 photo- finishing Mexican Dinner The Sony Store for two (4th Ave. loc.) Sony Canada Kerrisdale Camera Camtex Ltd Xerox Canada Lens and Shutter Davie Photo La Tortilleria Degree or not degrec.. that isthe question that hhas been asked at this collage for over a decade. So ‘what's the answer? When do we get that piece of paper that may increase our employment possiblities and enhance our credibility when applying to other educational institutions? Maybe someone doesn't want us to have a degree program? Is it ULB.C.? Are they afraid that @ degree program will drain potential students from their art department? Oris it YOU B.C.? Our case has been stated and restated to each now minister that has come and gone and come and gone, yet the situation is still unresolved, Could it be us? Are we that a degree program will constrict our creative talents and leave us "marked" for life? Will it mean more bureaucracy and less Bohemia? So many questions and so litle time... bt if you are willing to give it some thought and you'd like to share those ideas with the stident body, then drop your name and phone number atthe Planet of the Aris. We'd like to run an all-College forum on this issue, is about time we got some answers! Virginia Achiem Here's two people you could and should write to ‘concerning our long awaited and noi-yet-here degree program: Hon, Stanley Hagen Minister of Advanced Education and Job ining Minister's Office Room 306, Parliament Buildings, Victoria, B.C. vav 1X8 Hon. GM. McCarthy, M.LA. Vancouver Litle Mountain, 2881 Cambie Street, Vancouver, B.C, VSZ3¥8 A QUESTION OF DEGREES would like to address a somewhat contentious Issue... the Great Question of the B.F-A. Should ECCAD have one? Do we want one? What wil It do ‘o.our program? Can we et one? 5a transfer student to Emily Carr from the ‘exo! San Franco Art Insets ul Reaped, ‘well recognized degree-granting (B.F.A and M.E.A.) Institution. In January 1962 when I returned to ‘Canada and commenced spring session at Emly ‘Carr I id not have a very deep or far-reaching vision. What I saw was a well organized, beautifully ‘equipped, multhdiseiplinary art school bursting with potential for exploration I sald to myself “Tame to art school o make art, not to get a degree. Pll worry about the degree later." I til feel Tmade the right ‘choice -T mean I feel I got a more fully rounded art ‘education at ECCAD than I cold have in San Franelsco. However now that “later” has arrived, I have “worrled about the degree, alot. U.B.C, Simon Fraser, and U of Alberta all told me they would be able to transfer my American credits, but although I ‘was a double-major honours graduate from Emily Carr, they would be unable to equate any credits at all from ECCAD. Frequently ths is simply a problem of terminology, with basic Drawing and Painting classes at ECCAD given such exotic and «ethereal titles as to be non-transferable into adminis- trative prerequisit-type lingo, hence rendering these credits non-transferable. “Oh yes.” they sald, “we realize that your credits are very similar, content= wise to ours, but they are not listed in our transfer credit hook. We could give you second year standing nan undergraduate program...” ‘Wel, unless one wants to repeat another ‘undergraduate program, one is prevented from earning a masters of any kind or a teaching certf- RUMOUR FOR IMPROVEMENT = et of the arts volume 3 number 2 november ‘cate, oF indeed any further education at all at least In the west. Ihave been told of several wellrecog- nized institutions inthe East, (Concordia, York, Nova Scotia College) which recognize the Emily Carr 4 year diploma as equivalent toa full BEA. ‘This does indeed pose a problem If one wishes to continue one's education and stay Inthe western. artistic community. It appears that the only credits, lacking from the ECCAD diploma required for a BEA. from U.B.C. are English 100 and a Science tion. oon frankly, feel that the addition of more humanities electives to the ECCAD program would really enhance and fully round out the existing ECCAD curriculum. It is important to point out that a degree program would not replace the current diploma program - the two systems would co-exist as ‘options able to full diverse student ambitions and levels of academie involvement. appears that the enormous reluctance to grant BFA. status toa college is, n reality, a poliial fight to keep recognized credentials within the University arena. We are spending a great deal ‘of provinelal money on each and every ECCAD ‘student, and I question why policies have been set up whieh either 2) discourage Fine Arts students from pursuing higher education, or ») drive our emerging artists from the B.C. community to other artiste communities in the East. With one of the highest dollar-per-hour-per-student ‘operating cost of any facility in the province, it seems Jogleal that British Columbians give their ECCAD Investment (i: student) the best chance possible. Surely students should not be victims of ongoing political battles between institutions. Orah Costello (On November 4, an emergency meeting was called by concemed students to discuss the losing ofthe College over Christmas (December 23 to January 3) and the rumour thatthe College pears tobe one of money. ‘as, Itwas claimed that thousands would also be saved on security ifthe school was closed at midnight. Tihink that there isa bigger issue at hand, and that is one of morale. Students who are wiling to putin the extra time and effort towards thet work ae being told not to bother, that their dedication is not appreciated, and that they should go home. I would have hoped that the Admini stration would have been more supportive ofthese people who ate helping to make a name for this School.I'm not dismissing those people who go home after clas. [understand that some students hhave other commitments or aliemative studio space. ‘The main concem ofthe school should be the students and that a postive atitude and productive working atmosphere prevail atthe College. ‘Tm geting reall tived ofthese kinds of situations that pit “us” against “them”. Ifthe Admini- stration wants tobe supportive of this concer, then they should examine other ways 1 save money 0 that the school hours could be extended rather than shortened Incidently, Brad Campbell informed me that part ofthe fifty dollar studio fee would be wsed to keep the school open so that students could connie to work lat. So... “they” are going 0 shorten the hours, for one, would like my $50.00 back, and would refuse to pay the studio fee for the spring semester, and I suggest that fellow students do the same. “Make your concerns known. Virginia Achtem TODAY! FRIDAYNOV. 6th/ The Campaign Begins! omember al hose good causes you were going to get around to supporting? Well your big chance has arrived - this year the College is involved in a United Way Fund- Raising campaign to help channel those helpful, if somewhat procrastinated urges. Through collective etfort (small pun there) we can maximize the efficiency of our individual ‘generosity, and have some fun doing it. ‘The campaign runs. November 6 - 20, during which time prize draws willbe held every ‘second day (Monday, Wednesday, Friday) to distribute well over thity prizes (chock the list) to registered donors. The lovely and talented Andrew Wilson willbe the Master of ‘Ceremonies for the noon-time rates, Now, aside from the prizes, why would anyone (particularly anyone with a student income) want to part wth their cash? For one thing, one in three people (that's over £500,000 people inthe Lower Mainland) will bnefit from sorvioas assisted by the United Way funds - that's you, or your friend, or your Mom. The United Way serves over 80 agencies directly, and has provisions for distributing specially collected funds to non- ‘member organizations (such as the Stein Valley legal fund). The Donor Option program allows individuals to designate specific groups as recipients, and there is no sevice: ‘charge for such designations - 100% of the donation goes directly to the cause you wish to support. ‘So, what causes do you want to support? The ECCAD United Way representatives have drawn up a ist of seven potential recipients - when you fil ut your pledge card indieate on the back which group in particular you wish to help. Your donation can be directed to any of the other United Way registered chartes as well, so check the U.W. ‘brochures forthe complete list of donor options. ‘Tho seven suggested recipionts for the ECCAD drive: B.C, Children's Hospital Red Cross. C.N..B.(Money collected on behalf ofthis organization will go into the “Go For I" program, which promotes career awareness during a threo day seminar held ‘on Bowen island. Visvally-impaired teenagers from around the province are flown in and encouraged to expand their career alternatives.) ‘The Food Bank 'B.Ceers for Mentally Handicapped People (Specifically, the ‘Welcome Home" project, which encourages and supports families involved inthe re-adjustment process for relatives returning home from institutions.) Local Neighbourhood Houses (There are seven neighbourhood houses ‘and three annexes in Greater Vancouver, each of which provides a variaty of local services, such as assistance for the homeless, and acts as a crisis centre for such problems as physical abuse, alcoholism and drug abuse and suicide. Stein Valley Preservation Fund (There is plenty of Iterature on the Stein Valley currently circulating throughout the Collage ~ you are encouraged to read ‘his material and help support the people involved inthis lengthy legal battle to Protect and preserve the Stein Wilderness Watershed.) Pledge cards for your donations will be available at: the Faciltios ofice; the College ‘Stora; the recurring desk-outside-the-cafeteria, Reniomber, every donation is important! ‘Be therefor he big “Campaign and Orange Juice” celebration lunch and fil prize draws Friday, Nov.2hinthecfeteri. ITEMS: DONATED BY: ee tee Foran TageMeaeues 2) Se ean ECCAD. anchor Four sicrt ae ie eee sees ao engontee peace a ‘Assorted Blinds Prestige Window pee towed Trenton Candles Lawrence Lowe Grail Ioand Cathy & Ray Johnson ‘A Sony Walkman Sony Canada Jom Koval Film ( Rolls) Kerrsdale Camera a Camera Cle Camtex Lid promax $4000 ‘Two 2) Glass Rea Ohman Ses Xerox Canada Gadget Bag Lens and Shuter $25.00 photo ‘rng Davi Pio can Dinner ‘aoe Leonia (in Ave. loo)